After reaching the decision altitude, the captain said she had seen the runway in front of the aircraft. How difficult he is ? The aircraft appears intact enough to preserve the FDR and CVR. The non-flying pilot was a female captain with a history of training failures. The captain responded that she saw the lights but that it was also really white at PQI. At 11:28EST, as the aircraft descended through 200ft (61m) AGL, the minimum decision height for the approach, the captain called out "runway in sight twelve o'clock." On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. One pilot and three passengers were injured, and the aircraft was substantially damaged. The airplane was substantially damaged. The subscription is only 240 including 20% VAT per year, subscribers outside of the European Union save the VAT and pay only 200 . The first officer then spotted a tower near the aircraft's position, and realizing that the aircraft was not aligned properly with the runway, he initiated a missed approach. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Going into MEX after midnight during thunderstorm season would have been a single pilot operation for me.I wonder how their CPP interview will go at U Was just released yesterday or day before that he completely missed the runway. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on this United flight that ended up off the runway at the airport in Presque Isle on Monday morning. At 11:16EST, the pilots contacted airport staff[N 1] to verify that the runway lights were turned on at maximum brightness; the staff turned on the lights at the brightest setting. NTSB said it will document the reconstruction using 3D techniques, and the data will be archived for historical purposes. We climbed out on a ladder with the help of local firefighters, he said. This was the second approach to runway 1 . The NTSB also determined that the first officer was fatigued, which contributed to his confirmation bias; that the captain had demonstrated "poor judgment and decision-making" in instructing the first officer to continue the approach although he did not have the runway in sight; and that the ILS localizer was out of tolerance by about 200ft (61m) to the right, a condition that had been noticed during six previous CommutAir flights, including by the accident first officer, but had not been properly reported to the FAA. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) says a United Express regional jet didn't slide off a runway in Maine it missed the runway altogether. According to the report, the landing followed the pilot's second approach to runway 1 after having conducted a missed approach during the first approach. Fleet type match . Lets investigate further. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board. Preventing Windshield Arcing, Smoke, and Fire on Bombardier DHC-8 Airplanes . We determine the probable cause of the accidents we investigate and issue . Part of the landing gear was torn away, and the nose cone was damaged. On March 4, 2019, the Embraer EMB-145XR operating the flight touched down in a snow-covered grassy area to the right of the runway at Presque Isle International Airport, injuring three aircraft occupants and substantially damaging the aircraft. From June 2007 to October 2008, the aircraft was operating for Delta Connection before operating once again for Continental Express until October 2010 when it commenced operations for United Express. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. Investigation Report. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. The Daigles were still at the airport as of 2 p.m. after having been interviewed by emergency medical technicians and a United representative, Daigle said. The aircraft was piloted by a 40-year-old captain who joined CommutAir in March 2013 before working for another air carrier in November 2015. Let us know in the comments below. The accident took place on a snowy day in Presque Isle, Maine. Couldnt find the original threads, but the docket is open. commutair 4933 ntsb report. CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Simple Flying will be at the Farnborough Airshow next week. ago I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. I have to wonder if I could have been honest, if that copilot and passenger would be alive today. that one. The preliminary report on the accident of United Flight 4933 says that on March 4th at 11:43 am United Express landed between runway 1 and the taxiway in light to moderate snow at the Northern Maine Regional Airport in Presque Isle. The aircraft sustained substantial damage, as can be seen in the pictures released by the NTSB. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Crew missed first approach bc something didnt look right when they went visual, then apparently just sorta yolod it on the second attempt and had some severe confirmation bias when looking at what they thought were the runway/lights. I did a bit of work in the training department at my regional. She has a 777 type now so she doesnt work for commutair. [2] It came to rest with the left main landing gear assembly sheared off and wedged between the rear fuselage and the left engine. [1]:5 Investigators found that the localizer antenna was surrounded by 25ft (0.611.52m) of snow; after confirming the reported localizer misalignment, the snow was cleared, and this caused correct localizer alignment to be restored. The accident closed the airport Monday, and it is not known immediately when outgoing and incoming flights will resume, she said. [1]:1,78 At around 11:10EST, according to cockpit voice recorder (CVR) transcripts, the pilots were having trouble seeing the runway clearly and attempted to turn on the runway lights by cuing the radio microphone. Radar track data show that the airplane was aligned right of runway 1 during both approaches. The experience had humbled her, but then she upgraded and the drama began again. [1]:1314, Flight 4933 departed from Newark Liberty International Airport around 10:04Eastern Standard Time(EST) (14:04UTC). Pilots I know firsthand, who had massive training and proficiency issues, are now working for major carrierssome in heavy jets, others in the NB left seat. FAA guidance before the accident did not specifically address snow depth around a localizer antenna; after the accident, the guidance was revised to state that localizer alignment should be checked if snow accumulated to a depth exceeding 2ft (0.61m)[1]:4, The NTSB found that at least six CommutAir pilots had noticed the localizer misalignment within the preceding five days before the accident but none had filed a company aviation safety action program (ASAP) report; however, four of them filed ASAP reports after the accident. Adopted: March . I do not see how PRD will help that kind of situation. After the accident, CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety, said the NTSB. It was a woman. Instead, they saw white on white and a structure with an antenna but not the runway itself. On Mar 5th 2019 the FAA reported: "Commutair Flight 4933 Embraer E45X landed in the grass area beside the runway due to unknown circumstances." The occurrence was rated an accident. Reports provide details about the accident, analysis of the factual data, conclusions and the probable cause of the accident, and the related safety recommendations. Cass did say to me she will be OK when she sees Keegan, Rick Daigle said. They dont need to know the aircraft or the area or the SOP. It was the copilot's first day on the job. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. When the airplane was below 100 feet above ground level, the captain and the first officer expressed confusion stating they didnt know what they were seeing. [1][2], The aircraft was a 14-year-old Embraer EMB-145XR first delivered to ExpressJet in October 2004, for Continental Express. The accident was attributed to confirmation bias which prompted the flight crew to continue descending even though they could not see the runway due to snow; poor decision-making by the captain, fatigue of the first officer, and problems with the airport's instrument landing system were identified as contributing factors. [1]:4 Airport maintenance staff did not have the means to measure localizer alignment directly. They found that on the initial approach the crew executed a go-around as they weren't able to establish the runway, they saw snow and a structure with an antenna but no runway. Accident. On Jul 8th 2022 the NTSB released their factual report reporting amongst other details: On March 2, 2019 (2 days before the accident), the flight crew of . Why has literally no information been put out by the NTSB? He had been recently suffering from the flu and had lost sleep, and had made only limited and inconsistent use of his prescribed continuous positive airway pressure machine for several days leading to the accident. After the go-around, the first officer asked the captain if she saw the runway lights during the approach. The first officer was 51 years old and joined CommutAir in May 2018. In August 2016, the aircraft was transferred to CommutAir. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved,. But ALPA is too scared theyll get hit by a DFR lawsuit. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. What should the crew have done to avoid the runway excursion and hard landing? Landing under that set of circumstances is a fools errand. This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. One landing gear sheered off and wedged between fuselage & left engine.N14171 Embraer ERJ-145 pic.twitter.com/Vg07liGiDU. This map shows the airport of departure and the intended destination of the flight. Interestingly (unless I'm missing something) the CVR transcript still hasn't been released. Most reports focus on a single accident, though the NTSB also produces reports . 2017. What a douche. We use cookies to ensure you get the best experience on our site. The NTSBs final report provides no new recommendations, but notes that CommutAir implemented several actions to increase safety. The NTSB has released a preliminary report from an incident in which a CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. The National Transportation Safety Board is an independent federal agency charged by Congress with investigating every civil aviation accident in the United States and significant accidents in other modes of transportation highway, marine, pipeline , and railroad . So we fired him. On March 4, 2019, a CommutAir flight suffered a runway excursion at Presque Isle International Airport. 2008-2023 by The Aviation Herald, all rights reserved, reprint and republishing prohibited. By thoroughly investigating all of the factors that led to the plane missing the runway, the final report issued by the NTSB today can help ensure that this kind of preventable accident never happens again.. A pilot and two passengers received minor injuries. The pilot did not touch down on the first attempt. Remove the front passenger 's airbag. At an Appropriations hearing in July 2019, Senator Collins raised this issue directly with then-Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao. FO had sleep apnea and did not use the CPAP machine the night before, where he only got about ~ 5 hrs sleep. The failure of CommutAir pilots who had observed an issue with the ILS prior to the accident and failed to report it to the company and air traffic control. She had accumulated a total of 5,655 flight hours, 1,044 of them on the Embraer EMB-145XR. Its like we didnt learn from Colgan, except to keep the 1500 hr (which I dont think would have stopped the crash, but different topic for different day). As a leader of the Transportation Appropriations Subcommittee, Senator Collins has consistently secured robust funding for the instrument landing system (ILS) that provides pilots with precision landing information in poor visibility. Archived post. Our lawyer told me that I could not say anything regarding this pilot other than "ineligible for rehire" or we could get sued for defamation(?). CommutAir Flight 4933 (operating as United Express Flight 4933) was a domestic regional flight operating from Newark, New Jersey, to Presque Isle, Maine, in the United States. The first officer and two of the 28 passengers sustained minor injuries. PRIA is worthless when airlines just let it slide with a good Cage Consulting spit shine. The doomed 747 began flying in 1971. Cassie Daigle took this photo inside the plane shortly after it stopped. The accident took place on a snowy day in 2019 at Presque Isle International Airport. She nearly received a crew room beat down from one of my favorite ( but also very hot blooded) flight attendants. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. Lead Journalist - South America - Daniel comes to Simple Flying with many years of aviation journalism experience, having worked with Mexican publication A21, Roads & Kingdoms, El Economista and more. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in. Rick Daigle said from the airport via an interview using Facebook messenger that passengers realized there was a problem even before the plane hit the runway. However, none of the pilots reported the issues. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed. The airplane was substantially damaged. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WAGM) - The National Transportation Safety Board issued a final report on the missed runway incident at the Presque Isle International Airport that happened in 2019. If this is the same one, she was pretty infamous. A review of NBA playoff history indicated that the only occurrence of an NBA playoff game 6 where Golden State was leading Memphis at halftime 58-49 was on May 15, 2015". On the second attempt, the pilot landed off the runway between runway 1 and a parallel taxiway. Categories . Of the 28 passengers and 4 crew members on board, four passengers and the pilot were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, said Kim Smith, Presque Isle public information officer. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, a 50 passenger Embraer plane, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport in light to moderate snow. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. PRESQUE ISLE, Maine (WABI) A United Express flight had a rough landing at Presque Isle's airport Monday leaving a pilot and four passengers with minor injuries, that according to city officials. Press J to jump to the feed. The airplane was substantially damaged. Not sure if this Captain is one of them, but she sure does seem to have had quite a few more failures then I would be comfortable flying with. This website uses cookies for user interface, tracking performance and optimized ads. Carguychris (talk) 19:14, 21 July 2022 (UTC), The result of the move request was: no consensus. Date: June 5, 2015 . And for such a serious incident too, anything involving airlines usually takes 2 years. Of the 31 passengers and crew onboard, two passengers and 1 crewmember received minor injuries. Following the incident, Senator Collins contacted the National Transportation Safety Board and asked them to investigate the cause of the accident. The first impact was hard and violent.. Strange incident with few details to this day. Why was previously published brief by the NTSB completely scrubbed from their website? NTSB database search results for Presque Isle, Maine. "Landed and slid to the right of the runway" and "landed on Runway 1 and then veered off" were respective initial statements from CommutAir and the FAA, both of which contradict the findings. Fourteen minutes after the accident, visibility had improved to 0.75mi (1.21km), with scattered clouds at 800ft (240m) AGL, and an overcast ceiling at 1,300ft (400m) AGL. There were 28 passengers and three crew members on board CommutAir flight 4933 flying from Newark to Presque Isle, the company said. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. But could have also been Line Oriented Flight Training. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. JavaScript is disabled. Would not be surprised to see this Captain's name associated with another incident/accident. United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. While she had been a de Havilland Canada DHC-8 first officer with CommutAir, she had received a disciplinary letter and been subject to nine months of monitoring before being allowed to pursue captain upgrade training. Do you think the history of the CA here will have any impact on contributing factors to future hiring practices? The failed landing was the second attempt to land. Pretty concerning when your livelihood is tied to things like accidents. A quick survey of existing regional airline crash articles reveals a lack of naming consistency, and there is also no uniform naming convention in the aviation accident style guide. Privacy Policy. Carguychris (talk) 14:50, 1 August 2022 (UTC) Relisting. The Daigles are parents to a 4 1 /2 year old son. Based in Mexico City, Mexico. The broadcast contained a halftime report of game 6 of an NBA playoff series between Golden State and Memphis. This incident at the airport in Presque Isle was very disturbing and frightening for the passengers and crew who were involved, said Senator Collins. The pilots conversed directly with airport maintenance staff because Presque Isle International Airport did not have a local, National Transportation Safety Board Aviation Accident Final Report, "NTSB: United Express plane missed runway in Presque Isle", "5 injured after flight from Newark slides off snowy runway in Maine", "Safety board says cockpit crew caused 2019 Presque Isle crash landing", "Report: United 2019 Embraer 145 Crash Due To Pilot Misidentifying Snow Covered Runway", https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=CommutAir_Flight_4933&oldid=1120030447, This page was last edited on 4 November 2022, at 18:29. I bet the Captain's story is, its the planes fault, or the airports fault? The United Embraer EMB-145XR commuter jet, which was operated by regional carrier CommutAir under the United Express banner, took off from Newark Liberty International Airport this morning at. There were three minor injuries. Rick and Cassie Daigle, owners of Too Far North Fitness in Fort Kent, were on the flight returning from Columbus, Ohio, where Cassie Daigle was competing in a kettlebell event at the Arnold Sports Expo. For those who refer to the pilot as a man, I was a passenger in this plane, and the pilot was not a man. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. The Aviation Herald offers quite sophisticated criteria to enable you select exactly those news, that are of real interest to you. It's interesting to see what gets released fairly quickly (such as the 909 accident) or takes forever. The line is connecting ADS-B datapoints from FlightAware. At least five days before the accident, six pilots who flew into PQI encountered issues with the ILS localizer. March 17, 2020. [1]:15, Around the time of the first approach, the Automatic Weather Observation System (AWOS) at the airport was reporting wind from 060 at 4kn (4.6mph; 7.4km/h) and visibility of 0.50mi (0.80km) in moderate snow and freezing fog. The flight was operated by CommutAir under the United Express brand. On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. Hopefully these things wont slip through the cracks anymore. It is irrelevant whether the union itself has anything to do with the action. The Ohio-based regional carrier, in which No.3 U.S. airline . CommutAir/United Express #UA4933 from Newark landed in Presque Isle and left the runway to the right. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 20:49, 15 August 2022 (UTC), CommutAir Flight 4933 United Express Flight 4933 Per WP:COMMONNAME, crashes of regional jets operated by contractors under a major airline's regional brand name should use the brand name for easy identification by members of the general public, who are typically unfamiliar with contractors such as CommutAir (not to mention Envoy, Endeavor, Republic, Jazz Aviation, etc.). That final report has been out for months. [1]:78, The aircraft ascended from a minimum altitude of 703ft (214m) mean sea level (MSL) [169ft (52m) above ground level (AGL)] to around 1,000ft (300m) MSL. Ive always heard of LOFT as Lack Of Fucking Talent. The subscription requires, that you sign up for an account first, then subscribe from your account. Today, U.S. United Express, landed between runway 1 and taxiway A in light to moderate snow at Northern Maine Regional Airport at Presque Isle (KPQI), Presque Isle, Maine. This information is not presented as the Flight Safety Foundation or the Aviation Safety Networks opinion as to the cause of the accident. But of course, you can also have all news mailed right onto your desktop, too. This community is for discussion among pilots, students, instructors and aviation The Aviation Safety Network is an exclusive service provided by: United Express flight 4933, operated by CommutAir, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI), Maine, USA, and impacted terrain to the right of the runway. If you search the database for accidents in Presque Isle, Maine there is no mention of flight 4933. During the ensuing approach, both pilots said they saw the runway, albeit with difficulty due to snow. The plane will remain in place until the FAA arrives to assess the situation. The service runs two outbound and inbound flights per day on weekdays and one outbound and one inbound flight per day on weekends. Theyre famous here too! The agency said it will work closely with a federal government contractor . I was suppose to start a four day trip with an individual that displayed this described behavior. [4], The aircraft was substantially damaged and was subsequently written off as a result. Also big Yikes. Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 8:04:00AM EST, Wednesday, March 6, 2019 at 9:15:00AM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:15:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:30:00PM EST, Monday, March 11, 2019 at 12:37:00AM EDT, Saturday, March 23, 2019 at 8:50:00PM EDT, Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 6:49:00PM EST, Sunday, February 6, 2022 at 9:20:00PM EST, Wednesday, July 13, 2022 at 12:20:00AM EDT. Multiple failures here. She failed her EMB-145 checkride during her initial attempt and was later placed under "increased scrutiny" by CommutAir twice. What do you think about this accident? Wow, clearly that investigator was a sport's guy, cause I wouldn't have known what to make of it. Gotta wonder how many more lives need to be lost as a result of airlines looking to fill seats in the cockpit, before they realize sex and skin color are not relevant to qualifications to fly airplanes! There are pilots making it into airline cockpits that have had training failures at other airlines and they have been able to hide them from future employers. The plane touched down then slid off the runway. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. The final straw was flying in IMC into a bay surrounded by mountains to eht to a local village (Alaska) the villagers complained loudly. The NTSB's conclusion led to other questions namely whether the plane was too old and worn out. The "issues" she speaks of was that she lied about hours and qualifications and it went beyond that but I can't remember the specifics. The NTSB determined that the probable cause of this accident was the flight crews decision, due to confirmation bias, to continue the descent below the decision altitude when the runway had not been positively identified.. Both pilots had missed entirely the runway, which was covered in about inch of snow, and only about 20% to 25% of it was visible. "[1]:3, About 36 hours before the accident, a CommutAir flight crew had noticed the lateral localizer error and reported it to the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center; however, FAA procedures dictated that before a navigational aid malfunction could be officially reported, a second independent report of the error was needed, which had not been received. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. [1]:7[6] The airport was closed in reaction to the accident. Biggest teller? So that was a positive. The flight was operating under the provisions of Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 121 as a regularly scheduled domestic passenger from Newark International Airport (KEWR), Newark, New Jersey, to KPQI. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. The industry is hurting for flight deck crew members. [1]:710, CommutAir and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) initially reported that the aircraft had touched down on the runway and then slid off, but the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) later clarified that the aircraft had missed the runway entirely. The NTSB has scrubbed any mention of this accident from their website. I had no idea that snow could affect the localizer signal. Same man, was checking about everyday for the last month or so. The first officer stated "I'm staying on the flight director 'cause I don't see it yet", and the captain responded by repeating the phrase "stay in it", followed by "what the [expletive]" and the first officer saying "I dont know what Im seein'." Washington, D.C. Today, U.S. For information on a specific accident or incident, direct your inquiries to the National Transportation Safety Board at the following address: 490 L'Enfant Plaza East, SW. The flying pilot should have executed to go around yet did not. The pilots attempted to land again in a second attempt. The pilot flying was a man. For more information, please see our Commutair 4933 Roger Roger May 22, 2022 1 2 3 4 Next Roger Roger Paid to sleep, fly for fun May 22, 2022 #1 Couldn't find the original threads, but the docket is open NTSB Docket - Docket Management System data.ntsb.gov Minuteman "Dongola" May 22, 2022 #2 Oh yeah . I have started a talk page discussion about possibly revising the naming conventions to clearly address regional-brand flights. Location: Windsor Locks, Connecticut . It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. On Mar 21st 2019 the NTSB reported: "On March 4, 2019, at 1143 eastern standard time, CommutAir flight 4933, an Embraer EMB-145XR, N14171, d.b.a. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The benefits of subscriptionGet the news right onto your desktop when they happenPut the news on your website/in your newspaper. If he cant tell were the runway is what other skills is he lacking???? She returned in May 2016. On March 4, 2019, CommutAir flight 4933, operating the service for United Airlines onboard an Embraer EMB145XR, registration N14171, was attempting to land on runway 1 at Presque Isle International Airport (PQI) when it impacted terrain to the right of the runway. 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